this is un-american. >> karen, it's not just mr. blankfein and his ilk wish to cut social security, the group he's working with, a consortium of budget cutting ceos, are also looking for cuts to corporate income tax. this is brilliant, isn't it? >> apparently all the shell games they are already engaging in is not enough. they need a little more, martin. i think we should hear them out. you know, it's been a tough time sitting on all these millions and billions -- >> blankfein only got $15 billion for his bank. that's not very much. >> you know, one of the things i think is so important in this conversation, i think the president is very focused on it, whatever we do, and i think he's very clear in terms of not -- looking at rates and revenue and sort of what is on the table and what's not on the table, social security is not on the table, i think one of the president's chief concerns is we have to take a wholistic approach. mr. blankfein does not have the burden of having to do that. a lot of the kinds of changes he's talking about